Deprecated: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in /home/kajukenb/public_html/cafe/Sources/Load.php(183) : runtime-created function on line 3
Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why

Author Topic: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why  (Read 6034 times)

Offline KajuJKDFighter

  • Senior Moderator
  • Black Belt
  • *****
  • Posts: 3442
  • "Accept the things to which fate binds you"
    • Bono's Jeet Kune Do and Kajukenbo
Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« on: January 04, 2012, 11:22:57 AM »
Let's get some incite here into a fighters mind set...had this talk at class last night...I'll chime in in a few....
GM John E Bono DC
9th Degree Grand Master Gaylord Method Kajukenbo
Full Instructor-Hartsell's Jeet Kune Do Grappling Assoc
Chief Instructor Bono's Jeet Kune Do/Kajukenbo
Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them a desire,a dream,a vision

Offline sifutimg

  • Senior Black Belt
  • Blue Belt
  • ***
  • Posts: 341
  • Iron sharpens iron-so another man sharpens another
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2012, 11:52:10 AM »
Both are scary for sure however I am more scared of a knife than a gun.  At distance and in someone sights playing with airsoft and from the special forces and cops I have talked to people still have trouble shooting straight in a dynamic situation when someone is being really squirrelly .  With a knife without the option to escape, the potential for injury is just nasty.  When I first started putting my knife work to the test with a cammo painted knife wearing a white T-shirt with a very uncooperative opponent many thing were brought to light.  It was a very enlightening experience to see where I was stabbed or cut.  I have also done a bit of research on knife attacks in general and again they are just nasty.  Also I remember one of my good friends telling me of an experience during a belt test when he was testing one of his students for his black belt who ended up with a typical butter knife with the edge scotch taped that went completely through the test candidates hand.  Working principally on the things that increase percentage of survive-ability has been a good way to practice.

Respectfully,
Tim
Professor Tim Gagnier
Student of Great Grandmaster Charles Gaylord & Grandmaster Sid Lopez
Chief Instructor Pacific Wind Kajukenbo
Student Forever
Yamhill, Oregon

Offline DKF1

  • Blue Belt
  • ***
  • Posts: 216
    • Concord School of Karate
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 01:58:14 PM »
I'd say it depends on range and the skill of the attacker. At distance a gun is more dangerous, for obvious reasons. Anyone who really knows what they are doing with a gun would never let you get close enough to affect a disarm. If they know how to shoot, you are probably in trouble. At close range I agree with Professor Tim, a knife is a really nasty thing. Comes fast from multiple angles, never runs out of ammo or malfunctions. That can be much tougher to deal with than a gun. I'd have to say if the average thug was going to walk up and stick one in my face, I think I'd prefer to face the gun. Even if they don't know how to handle a knife with skill, the old prison shank repeated thrusts can be very tough to deal with. Hopefully none of us ever has to deal with either.
David Fraga
Black Belt - Concord School of Karate
Williams Kajukenbo
Gaylord's Method

Offline KajuJKDFighter

  • Senior Moderator
  • Black Belt
  • *****
  • Posts: 3442
  • "Accept the things to which fate binds you"
    • Bono's Jeet Kune Do and Kajukenbo
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 03:34:57 PM »
Some great insights ....I think most people can't handle a gun well in the first place and under stress even more....they have a bullet of X size lets say 9mm (though not my choice of weapon ammo)...that is a small thing to aim and hit something with if not trained under those conditions.  Say they have a 5 inch blade that is 14 times the size come at you, multiple angles and times possibly.  Also one factor is how many here have used a knife in the kitchen lets say, hundreds of times.  Adults typically have handled a blade over and over....a gun....well not so much, those that shoot mostly are at ranges, which is very hard to work stress scenarios.

The video Defending Edge Weapons shows a lot of knife stuff against knives.  The movie Unforgiven was about a old gunslinger and one of the points in the movie was how hard it was to shoot straight when under stress...great flick great part.....

of course a person trained with a gun ....that's a different story...I'm a member of Front Sight and you learn how much you don't know training at a place like that..... 
GM John E Bono DC
9th Degree Grand Master Gaylord Method Kajukenbo
Full Instructor-Hartsell's Jeet Kune Do Grappling Assoc
Chief Instructor Bono's Jeet Kune Do/Kajukenbo
Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them a desire,a dream,a vision

Offline guarded

  • BlackBelt
  • Blue Belt
  • ***
  • Posts: 250
  • He who hesitates, meditates; horizontally!
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 05:24:04 PM »
At close range I am also in favor of facing a gun. There is only one business end of a gun. As long as you can engage and keep that end away long enough to disarm or remove the threat you'll be ok. There are too many options with a knife. The thought of being stuck or stabbed doesn't freak me out near as much as being slashed and laid open. How about this scenario. 2 attackers are approaching you. One with a gun and the other with a knife.......?
Jerry Guard
Kajukenbo Tum Pai Brown/Black Sash under Prof. Steve Larson          My everyday stance is my fighting stance.  My fighting stance is my everyday stance.

Offline KajuJKDFighter

  • Senior Moderator
  • Black Belt
  • *****
  • Posts: 3442
  • "Accept the things to which fate binds you"
    • Bono's Jeet Kune Do and Kajukenbo
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 06:19:47 PM »
Grab the guy gun two hands to one hand...the gun hand....spin as a shield and try to fire on the knife gun, then take care of business on the gun guy.....then go home and have a bottle bourbon from the stress
GM John E Bono DC
9th Degree Grand Master Gaylord Method Kajukenbo
Full Instructor-Hartsell's Jeet Kune Do Grappling Assoc
Chief Instructor Bono's Jeet Kune Do/Kajukenbo
Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them a desire,a dream,a vision

Offline guarded

  • BlackBelt
  • Blue Belt
  • ***
  • Posts: 250
  • He who hesitates, meditates; horizontally!
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 12:22:20 AM »
Perfect! 8)
Jerry Guard
Kajukenbo Tum Pai Brown/Black Sash under Prof. Steve Larson          My everyday stance is my fighting stance.  My fighting stance is my everyday stance.

Offline KajuJKDFighter

  • Senior Moderator
  • Black Belt
  • *****
  • Posts: 3442
  • "Accept the things to which fate binds you"
    • Bono's Jeet Kune Do and Kajukenbo
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 05:58:51 PM »
I guess most on here are not afraid of either
GM John E Bono DC
9th Degree Grand Master Gaylord Method Kajukenbo
Full Instructor-Hartsell's Jeet Kune Do Grappling Assoc
Chief Instructor Bono's Jeet Kune Do/Kajukenbo
Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them a desire,a dream,a vision

Offline Tony49

  • Blue Belt
  • ***
  • Posts: 139
    • White Tiger Martial Arts Academy
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 06:21:03 PM »
You could put up a poll, to see which most are afraid of.  Me personal, I would probably be scared of both, hopefully my training would allow me to stay calm so that I could act when the time presented itself..  However, I believe a knife is scarier than a gun due to the angles and damaged it can cause. Must Martial Artist would have a hard time defendign the standard prison shank style attack.
Antonio Lucero

Diony/Cacoy Canete > Alfredo Bandalan Sr.
Bandalan Doce Pares > Black Belt

Emperado > Tiwanak > Brown > Alfredo Bandalan Sr.
Bandalan Hawaiian Kenpo > Black Belt

Offline KajuJKDFighter

  • Senior Moderator
  • Black Belt
  • *****
  • Posts: 3442
  • "Accept the things to which fate binds you"
    • Bono's Jeet Kune Do and Kajukenbo
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 06:44:14 PM »
maybe I should have also put on there a trained attack dog.....
GM John E Bono DC
9th Degree Grand Master Gaylord Method Kajukenbo
Full Instructor-Hartsell's Jeet Kune Do Grappling Assoc
Chief Instructor Bono's Jeet Kune Do/Kajukenbo
Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them a desire,a dream,a vision

Offline Rick Kingi

  • Senior Moderator
  • Blue Belt
  • *****
  • Posts: 326
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 11:15:22 PM »
  Me a gun becasue the guy never has to get close to you...that all from me folks.  LOL

Offline Claudio

  • BlackBelt
  • Blue Belt
  • ***
  • Posts: 313
  • Empty your mind
Re: Gun or Knife...which are you More afraid of...and why
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2012, 03:08:25 PM »
Knife for me , you cant stop a bullet or a person who really wants to shoot you, but you have a chance to stop the person from killing or severally injuring you with a knife,  the adrenal stress is insane and shuts you down.  seen both happen and both are horrible.
Prof. Claude "Claudio" Lawson III
Ronin Kombat Systems / American Kajukembo Assoc

Kajukembo/Kajukenbo(GM Davis)/ Brazilian Jiujitsu/Kick Boxing/ Practical Weapons/ JKD