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Gun Defense

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Offline Greg Hoyt

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Gun Defense
« on: July 16, 2011, 09:41:58 AM »
Aloha Everyone, 
As part of our system, Sijo and the Co-Founders included a set of Knife and Club defenses....because that's what they were dealing with at that time.  And those defenses remain a super valuable set of techniques for us today.  I haven't had to perform any weapon defenses lately, thank God.  But I am confident, through our training, that I would have a better than even chance of surviving a Knife or Club attack. 
For the last three or four years we have been training one of the many Gun Defense techniques out there.  I'm not writting this to pump up the set of Gun Defense techniques we use.  It probably doesn't matter which set we practice, as long as we train those techniques as least as often as the other weapon defenses. 
What I'm pretty excited about is last night's class.  I asked a couple of students to bring air soft pistols, and I brought some shooting glasses.  Last night's objective was to see if we could get off center and parry without getting shot.  From a cold move, no distraction, we were getting hit.  But with a distraction we were all getting off center without taking a hit.  We tried several positions, both left and right handed gunman, front, back, pointed at the head, chest, all kine way.  The distraction was the key, as well as knowing how to take advantage of the distraction. 
Now we can go back to training the whole technique with confidence. 
Mahalo for your time. 
Greg
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Re: Gun Defense
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 01:00:51 PM »
Aloha Greg,

Thank for sharing that with us on the gun attacks. Sijo not only gave us a beautiful system but the freedom to express our selves within the system. With such freedom it is truly an American art  ;).

 
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Re: Gun Defense
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 07:25:07 AM »
Aloha,

Thanks for sharing that in gun defense training. I personally don't believe very much in training that, mainly because I think the positions that one can do that defenses work (I've trainined a few also) are a bit off the normal one would put himself with a Gun. - as time is also value in training, but also open mind offcourse.
I think that is worth to train and understand those concepts but also put them were they, IMO, belong: a very hard thing to happen.
My army training and nowadays information about weapons and all tells me almost no one would make those kinds of attacks, except maybe a mad and despered man...

That my way of seing it, but I think is very good to conclude many things with training has you did Sibak Greg. Thanks again for sharing that experience, it's a valid info for reference.

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Re: Gun Defense
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2011, 08:05:14 AM »
All training is good training, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.  Unfortunately, confrontations with firearms is all too common here in the United States.  Depending on where I hang out/do business/reside/play has alot to do  with my chances of getting car jacked, mugged, jumped, whatever.  Having said that, even the most affluent citizens have a chance to get assaulted, robbed, or kidnapped.
We train so that we have options.  With options we have a chance.  Without options.....? 
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Re: Gun Defense
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2011, 08:09:24 AM »
I agree Sir
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Re: Gun Defense
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 09:37:57 AM »
You know..sometimes I say this about the training of that because I see too many publicity, especially in krav maga, in how to defend from a firearm attack...that can be dangerous in my view...
That is way I train that drills very little and don't encourage students to train them often because they still have, and me also, a great path to walk in kajukenbo learning...and forgive if I say this, it's only a view, but in a real confrontation with that, most of the persons would fisiologically respond to the fear and adrenaline prior to defend the menace.

Concepts are valid, IMO, if contextualized, I'm shure you are doing a great job with this training and getting great conclusions about it as the one you shared here.

you work with a gun like this? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzMc4H8mpSo

undoubtly if you weren't very preocupated with what I said you would not be improving your training with this kind of gun. Congrats.

But no training is bad as you say Sifu Greg.(I mean some are but, with good contextualization, this isn't the case)

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Re: Gun Defense
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 05:00:32 PM »
Yes, training for firearm defense can be dangerous.  Not training for firearm defense is fatal. 
Any airsoft pistol will work. 
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