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Knife Attack! What would you have done?

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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 01:31:38 PM »
This was posted by Sifu Mickey! Aloha everyone. I hope this video makes you train your edge weapons defense?
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2010, 03:31:34 PM »
Wow, that was crazy. Hope that was a fatal gunshot wound. Do you have any info about the situation? How did the guy fare who's throat was cut?

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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 03:45:12 PM »
Luke,

My co-worker sent this to me. To me it looks like a pissed off customer?? ha..The 1st guy that got his throat slashed looks like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time?  This video really opened my eyes?
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 11:26:53 AM »
My opinion is it was an easy fix.
never give your back to the door.
and I would have went for the gun in the FIRST PLACE
if you watch when he pulls the gun he just pulls it from under the counter.
if first guy was not giving his back to the front door and the second guy put one in him when he first came in with a knife he would have never made it around the counter
if you are working where you need to have a firearm on hand then you should be on point at all times,
like I said on fight quest befor I hit doug in the groin at the end of the show, never trust anyone and be aware of your surroundings at all times.
just my thoughts

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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 12:06:37 PM »
And on top of all that, did you notice that prior to shooting the psycho the clerk 1st had to chamber a round? The gun was not ready to go, as it should have been!

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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2010, 12:22:42 PM »
A-Men to that GM Harper!
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2010, 06:05:34 PM »
I think GM Harper hit on some key points. The first principle of any weapon we choose to protect ourselves with is DEPLOYMENT. That is - can I get to it from where I am and bust a cap in your asp or cut you with it? How we carry the weapon, where it is placed and how we get to it to deploy it should all be well-rehearsed under stress in order to make sure it is practical.

Not prepared. And then there are the tactics GM Harper brings up as well regarding the door etc....

Wargaming to see if there are holes in a defense plan is important and so are rehearsals under stress.

Just a few thoughts and comments on the matter.

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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2010, 07:47:11 PM »
One thing I noticed was the clerk reaching in to grab the arm holding the knife. You could see that wasn't working too well because the attacker was able to pull, push and slash his knife about.

One of the drills we practice for situations like that is to push the attacker's weapon arm inward with your palm (Doesn't matter if they are holding a knife, gun, etc.) and then punch the attacker in the mouth. When we do the drill we have a person stand behind the attacker and hold a hand pad right next to the attacker's face. Once the attacker moves the knife in your direction you strike or slap the arm inward and then punch the hand pad as hard as you can. I think you'd have a better chance blasting the guy in the face over trying to grab his arm.
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2010, 09:09:14 PM »
Grandmaster Mitch & Sifu Pat thank you for your input! :D
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 08:22:35 PM »
GM Harper & GM Powell bring up some excellent points. What I learned from this clip was nobody went straight for the weapon even though they had several chances. We always, GET OUT OF THE WAY then GO FOR THE WEAPON, disarm, bus'em up. Just my 2 cents. Mahalo
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2010, 11:21:00 PM »
Also, a little more thought to initial layout would help. If you are in an area where this is a possibility, don't arrainge the counter so that you are boxed in.
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2010, 11:15:59 AM »
Also, a little more thought to initial layout would help. If you are in an area where this is a possibility, don't arrainge the counter so that you are boxed in.

This is the thinking that allows this to happen. We are all in an area that this is a possibility!

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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2010, 04:11:24 PM »
Well, look. I set my living up for comfort, not necessarily for an escape route. I doubt many do.
But when I'm out and about, I try to be aware of my surroundings. And when I worked at a minit mart, we opened up the counter so there was access around it . (Owners idea, not mine). Made sense to me.
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Re: Knife Attack! What would you have done?
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2010, 11:42:09 AM »
The clerk had a hold of the knife hand long enough to grab it with both hands instead of just one.  Even with the most basic training and the attackers limited area to move he could have controlled him much easier.  He had help within a couple seconds.   
 
He obviously had several seconds to react before the guy even got to him.  He could tell he was approaching in a threatening manner and should have went straight for the gun.  Like what was said before, a little rehearsal would have better prepared him for this situation.

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