Deprecated: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is deprecated, use preg_replace_callback instead in /home/kajukenb/public_html/cafe/Sources/Load.php(183) : runtime-created function on line 3
original Prof. Chow drills

Author Topic: original Prof. Chow drills  (Read 16991 times)

Offline punisher73

  • Yellow Belt
  • **
  • Posts: 61
original Prof. Chow drills
« on: September 28, 2010, 12:52:59 PM »
I was wondering if anyone knows any of the drills that Prof Chow used to develop his students and are any of them still in Kajukenbo?

Prof. Chow is a big interest of mine and I'm always looking to find out more information about him and his training.
Kevin A. Hirakis
SW Michigan

Offline Lhines

  • BlackBelt
  • White Belt
  • *
  • Posts: 26
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 03:36:53 PM »
Kevin,

Send me your email and I'll send you a picture of Chow's Memorial placard that I took when I was in Hawaii last year.

Sincerely
« Last Edit: September 28, 2010, 04:44:11 PM by Lhines »
Lee Hines
GM James Roberts Sr lineage
Ordonez Kajukenbo Ohana
www.cincinnatikajukenbo.com

Offline Danjo

  • BlackBelt
  • Brown Belt
  • ****
  • Posts: 881
  • Kajukenbo Forever!
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 04:23:40 PM »
Here's a link to one of Prof. Chow's students Bill Chun Jr. with some videos of drills he still uses:

http://www.chinesekempo.org/teq.htm

Prof. Chow taught for a looooong time though, so his techniques and drills probably changed a lot over the years too since I don't think he actually cataloged them.
"Rank Without Honor is Nothing."
Dan Weston
3rd Degree Black Belt under Prof. Bishop
FMAA
Don't tell me how much you honor Sijo, if you don't respect his wishes.

Offline Ron Baker

  • BlackBelt
  • Brown Belt
  • ****
  • Posts: 637
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 07:44:11 PM »
Danjo, thanks for that link.
Sigung (Shihan) Ron Baker
Kajukenbo 5280 MMA Foundation
Under GM Jason Groff
Ordonez Kajukenbo Ohana

Offline Danjo

  • BlackBelt
  • Brown Belt
  • ****
  • Posts: 881
  • Kajukenbo Forever!
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 01:05:28 PM »
"Rank Without Honor is Nothing."
Dan Weston
3rd Degree Black Belt under Prof. Bishop
FMAA
Don't tell me how much you honor Sijo, if you don't respect his wishes.

Offline punisher73

  • Yellow Belt
  • **
  • Posts: 61
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 09:11:12 AM »
Here's a link to one of Prof. Chow's students Bill Chun Jr. with some videos of drills he still uses:

http://www.chinesekempo.org/teq.htm

Prof. Chow taught for a looooong time though, so his techniques and drills probably changed a lot over the years too since I don't think he actually cataloged them.

I have already checked that link, thanks though.

I realize that Chow never wrote down or cataloged anything.  I also realize that his art changed through the years.  I was just hoping to get a glimpse of his training methods of any kind.
Kevin A. Hirakis
SW Michigan

Offline Danjo

  • BlackBelt
  • Brown Belt
  • ****
  • Posts: 881
  • Kajukenbo Forever!
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 04:39:11 PM »
Here's a link to one of Prof. Chow's students Bill Chun Jr. with some videos of drills he still uses:

http://www.chinesekempo.org/teq.htm

Prof. Chow taught for a looooong time though, so his techniques and drills probably changed a lot over the years too since I don't think he actually cataloged them.

I have already checked that link, thanks though.

I realize that Chow never wrote down or cataloged anything.  I also realize that his art changed through the years.  I was just hoping to get a glimpse of his training methods of any kind.


On this forum GM Sedeno trained with Prof. Chow back in the day. There may be others as well.
"Rank Without Honor is Nothing."
Dan Weston
3rd Degree Black Belt under Prof. Bishop
FMAA
Don't tell me how much you honor Sijo, if you don't respect his wishes.

Offline punisher73

  • Yellow Belt
  • **
  • Posts: 61
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2010, 08:48:50 AM »
I realized that and hoped that some of those would share their experiences.  I also know that Prof. Bishop has a lot of documentation on Chow as well I was hoping he would share.
Kevin A. Hirakis
SW Michigan

Offline punisher73

  • Yellow Belt
  • **
  • Posts: 61
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 07:11:43 AM »
No one has any drills?  Stories?  Anything to know what it was like?

I always hear of people talking about training with Chow, but never hear any specifics of what the drills were.
Kevin A. Hirakis
SW Michigan

Offline Ron Baker

  • BlackBelt
  • Brown Belt
  • ****
  • Posts: 637
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2010, 10:12:28 AM »
Mainly oral history, Kevin.  As Danjo said, GM Sedeno trained with Chow.  But Co-Founder "Uncle Frank" Ordonez probably also has knowledge of Chow's training.  So would men like Sam Kuoha (he's probably got video or books out there).  

Just know that almost everything in Kenpo and Kajukenbo evolves with time -- unless you strike gold, and actually get some Chow video.
Sigung (Shihan) Ron Baker
Kajukenbo 5280 MMA Foundation
Under GM Jason Groff
Ordonez Kajukenbo Ohana

Offline Bautista's

  • teaching since 1966
  • Senior Moderator
  • Brown Belt
  • *****
  • Posts: 926
  • you show me-I show you
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 12:35:24 PM »
Bill Chin Jr or Willy Peladeau may be able to answer some questions???
Emil Bautista
Kajukenbo black belt (1966)

Offline Lhines

  • BlackBelt
  • White Belt
  • *
  • Posts: 26
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2010, 01:17:44 PM »
I was privileged to spend some time with Uncle Frank last year when I was in Hawaii.

He spoke of Professor Chow but mainly in a historical sense. I didn't ask him about any specific drills or techniques. 

Sincerely.
Lee Hines
GM James Roberts Sr lineage
Ordonez Kajukenbo Ohana
www.cincinnatikajukenbo.com

Offline punisher73

  • Yellow Belt
  • **
  • Posts: 61
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2010, 06:50:41 AM »
I was privileged to spend some time with Uncle Frank last year when I was in Hawaii.

He spoke of Professor Chow but mainly in a historical sense. I didn't ask him about any specific drills or techniques. 

Sincerely.

It's been hectic, I forgot to send you a thank you for the picture!
Kevin A. Hirakis
SW Michigan

Offline Lhines

  • BlackBelt
  • White Belt
  • *
  • Posts: 26
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2010, 11:56:22 AM »
You're very welcome. 
Lee Hines
GM James Roberts Sr lineage
Ordonez Kajukenbo Ohana
www.cincinnatikajukenbo.com

sgns1173

  • Guest
Re: original Prof. Chow drills
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2010, 06:53:08 PM »
Aloha,

No disrespect to Bill Chun's Jr. teaching, but Professor Chow did not have any rolls that would be considered judo and/or jujitsu techniques in his teaching.  Professor Chow would frequent Professor's Okazaki's class (Kaheka) but would refuse to train any ground techniques.  The aforementioned was told to me by GM Freddie Lara, GM Maurice Hornos Sr., (late) Manny Dela Curz (long time assistant) Uncle Frank.  GM Eugene Sedeno had the opportunity on various occasions to work out with Professor Chow and he stated that he would beat the living day lights out of you and beat you to the ground.  No rolling and tumbling.  I also had the opportunity to talk Professor Chow in 1978 (China Town) and we talk about his system for about 2 hours.  

Respectfully

« Last Edit: October 14, 2010, 07:09:13 PM by Kalihi/Palama Boy »