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Banning Children from Martial Arts

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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 06:56:05 PM »
Banning children from any form of MA seems to be a "slippery slope" whereby all MA's might be potentially banned and who knows what else. I am against any form of banning in regards to regulated cases.

If we think back on the beginnings of the Octogon and the number of folks who opposed it, to include Senator McCain, it's easy to understand the general public's concern. However, like the UFC, instituting the correct rules and regulations and educating the public helped to resolve the issue. Now look at MMA and the UFC. What would have happened had people's unfounded fears allowed our political and legal system to ban the UFC and other MMA venues?

Although I do not know a lot about this subject, I believe that there should be parental permission, age limits, weight classes and rules and regulations that protect the children. In other words, there must be regulation and supervision. Additionally, those who support such juvenile venues should work towards educating the portion of the general public that opposes them.

The general public's perceptions might be changed like the UFC case. I believe that there are far more positives than negatives when considering the usefulness of childrens' involvement in MA to include MMA matches.

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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 09:15:42 PM »
I think that government should stay out of those types of decisions, unless there is gauranteed mortal danger. It is up to parents to know what their children are doing.
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2008, 05:14:54 AM »
I don't like the idea of Government Bans.  But maybe some kind of Martial Arts Commission to regulate the kids involvement, set some standards to help protect the kids.  Are some of these "bouts" being fought at paying venues?  Are the parents/kids being paid?  Slippery slope, for real....in alot of ways. 
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 08:37:54 AM »
I don't like a "ban"; but a Self-Regulating Organization is probably a good idea.  The more popular MMA becomes, the more it will attract children and the more it will produce unqualified and ill-equipped "instructors" to teach those kids.  Children learning lethal techniques can sometimes be a deadly combination.
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 10:01:47 AM »
I think parents, not the government, should raise their kids.
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2008, 03:37:40 PM »
Amen Danjo.

The responsibility to raise ones children lies squarely on the childs parents. Im sure that every state athletic commision will be forced to address the issue of kids in MMA before long, as the sport is growing like wildfire. But we know that if one state banned the practice and a neighboring state approved it, people would drive to another state to let their kids participate.

Unfortunately, some parents suck, but a government ban on kids MMA activities would pose the argument that if MMA for kids should be banned, then what about youth hunting- where kids have rifles, or youth motocross, etc. Banning it creates an atmosphere where it opens the door for other activities to get chopped on the block of political correctness. Not to cross topic, but just remember the magazine ban on firearms a few years back. Man, what politically correct stupidity that was. Another government over reaction to 'ban' something.

I know I would personally have a problem watching a 10 year old RNC another 10 year old till he/ she tapped, but thats just me, I wouldnt patronize any event that hosted such activity, but again, thats me.

I just hope that it gets regulated properly- perhaps with a regulatory board made up of people that have some clue about what they are doing. Which I personally doubt will happen. 
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 09:31:03 AM »
Well-said sir,

The potential for banning these youth organizations is always going to be there because there are unfortunately those in our society who feel that they should regulate everything because they know what's best for the individual. I call them socialists. I believe there are far more positives involved with youths being involved in organized activities than there are negatives.Just the fact that they are doing something that is supervised and that keeps them busy and motivated is positve enough for me.

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Amen Danjo.

The responsibility to raise ones children lies squarely on the childs parents. Im sure that every state athletic commision will be forced to address the issue of kids in MMA before long, as the sport is growing like wildfire. But we know that if one state banned the practice and a neighboring state approved it, people would drive to another state to let their kids participate.

Unfortunately, some parents suck, but a government ban on kids MMA activities would pose the argument that if MMA for kids should be banned, then what about youth hunting- where kids have rifles, or youth motocross, etc. Banning it creates an atmosphere where it opens the door for other activities to get chopped on the block of political correctness. Not to cross topic, but just remember the magazine ban on firearms a few years back. Man, what politically correct stupidity that was. Another government over reaction to 'ban' something.

I know I would personally have a problem watching a 10 year old RNC another 10 year old till he/ she tapped, but thats just me, I wouldnt patronize any event that hosted such activity, but again, thats me.

I just hope that it gets regulated properly- perhaps with a regulatory board made up of people that have some clue about what they are doing. Which I personally doubt will happen. 
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 02:47:22 PM »
Correct Sifu Pat.

Although i wouldnt be a fan of watching kids get submitted by choke, I find it hypocritical that there are those that wish to ban activities such as this in their entirety without sitting down first and trying to establish some guidlines that may be inclusive or agreeable to all, but allow the same children to be hypnotized for hours sitting on their butts playing video games where they car jack people or get more points for head shots.

On a somewhat related, yet not, not, if you have the chance, pick up the book 'On Killing' by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. Its outstanding and deals with peripheral issues associated with issues such as this. I agree 100% with you- I know that if a young person comes to our gym and wants to train, immediately prior to that, he or she was outside of the gym and thus on the street. I feel that I, along with the guys that i train with are a far better example for them than the street would ever be.
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 09:20:02 PM »
[ On a somewhat related, yet not, not, if you have the chance, pick up the book 'On Killing' by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. 

Great read. I read it several years ago. Thanks.

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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2008, 01:52:14 AM »
Correct Sifu Pat.

Although i wouldnt be a fan of watching kids get submitted by choke, I find it hypocritical that there are those that wish to ban activities such as this in their entirety without sitting down first and trying to establish some guidlines that may be inclusive or agreeable to all, but allow the same children to be hypnotized for hours sitting on their butts playing video games where they car jack people or get more points for head shots.

On a somewhat related, yet not, not, if you have the chance, pick up the book 'On Killing' by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. Its outstanding and deals with peripheral issues associated with issues such as this. I agree 100% with you- I know that if a young person comes to our gym and wants to train, immediately prior to that, he or she was outside of the gym and thus on the street. I feel that I, along with the guys that i train with are a far better example for them than the street would ever be.

i believe banning children from martial arts would be a mistake. i do think banning children playing certain video games may be an option for those who want to medal in people's lives.
  a sad reality in our society today is that parents are too busy to raise they children. it's acceptable to leave kids at home on their own unsupervised while both parents are out earning a buck. at least most ma classes teach children to respect life and give them excersize that kids today desperately need.
  parents of the world need to know that the latest x box game and a jumbo bag of potato chips is not loving your kids. only my opinion but i bet there are others that agree with me respect, curry
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2008, 11:05:58 AM »
Mr. Curry,

I agree with your assertion about parents raising your children, and my reference to video games was simply a peripheral issue emphasizing the hypocracy in our society, of how we attempt to ban certain activities while letting some go with marginal (at best) regulation.

Since video games, lets take for example any first person shooter game, effect certain parts of the brain that basically bypass the 'should i do this or not' or 'is this right or wrong' part of the brain and go directly to the 'see a threat, kill it' part of the brain, sheer repetition of this activity seats itself in the mind and may cause reactions like that to occur in real life. Im not saying that regulation is in any way substitution for good parenting, however. Dont hold me to it, but i believe it was the Padukah, Kentucky school shooting that the shooter had never fired a weapon in real life and had only played 'duck hunt' on Nintendo..for hours and hours. Again, a fault of the parent as you stated.



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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 02:01:09 PM »
Col. Dave also has a book entitled "Stop teaching our kids to kill". Absolutely pertinent to today's culture. Training a child in MA is not the problem, raising them without a moral center is.

I have only been a student of Kajukenbo for a short time, but I have a substantial military and Law Enforcement tactical background in which the tennants of character and strength under control are essential.

My entire family is training and I do not have the slightest reservation or concern that I am building a monster. My children are learning how to protect themselves and/or others and are learning to be ethical fighters. As the hand position in our salute implies "I know how to fight, but I prefer not to".

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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2008, 02:21:25 PM »
a sad reality in our society today is that parents are too busy to raise they children. it's acceptable to leave kids at home on their own unsupervised while both parents are out earning a buck.

I don't think this situation has changed.  Kids have always played with neighborhood kids.  As kids, we enjoyed our unsupervised hours playing kick-the-can, kill the carrier, etc.   Parents shouldn't be expected to watch their kids every minute.  My after-school hours were filled with homework, music practice and outdoor play (later organized sports).    In an age when parents think their child will die if they're outside alone or will be abducted or molested by every random adult male walking by, or worse, all of those people in the Internet.
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Re: Banning Children from Martial Arts
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2008, 03:15:37 PM »
I agree with you Gints, the difference is one of influence or control. Once out of sight influence remains control does not. The question then becomes who is influencing your children?

I grew up on a culdesac street in the 70's and we always seemed to have a minimum of 30 kids in our unsupervised games of kick the can, war and nerf football, it was awesome! I don't know wether times have changed or or my perceptions of the times have, but it just seems like the world is less safe.

With that being said, I try not to be the preverbial hover parent. My kids come home with scraped knees, sunburns and stories of great victory over the imaginary enemies of the neighborhood. Letting them train in Kajukenbo helps me to feel a little better about turning them loose in the big bad world.