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Title: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on December 30, 2002, 07:26:37 AM
Kajukenbo is a Internationally recognized martial art founded in Hawaii in 1949.
The evolution of art began in 1947 when Adriano D. Emperado, Joe Holck, Frank Ordonez, George C. Chang, and Peter Choo formed the Black Belt Society.  
These men were experts in different martial arts.  Adriano Emperado was William Chow's first  Kenpo Karate black belt, and also had trained in Escrima.
Peter Choo was a boxing champion and had received training  in Tang Soo Do karate.
Frank Ordonez's style was Sekeino Ryu Ju Jitsu.
Joe Holck had trained with both Henry Okazaki, and Sig Kufferath, and earned black belts in Kodokan Judo and Danzan Ryu Jujitsu.
Clarence Chang was a Sil-Lum Pai Kung Fu stylist.
Together they trained for 3 years exchanging ideas and techniques.  Kenpo Karate became the heart of the system and techniques from the other systems were added to the Kenpo to enhance it's effectiveness.  
By 1949 they systemized a martial art system that combined the techniques of all their systems.
The system was then named "Kajukenbo".  Ka for karate, Ju for Judo and Ju Jitsu, Ken for Kenpo, and bo for Chinese boxing(kung fu).
Of the five founders, Emperado continued spreading and improving Kajukenbo. Today Kajukenbo is practiced worldwide, and has 4 methods, Kajukenbo Original (sometimes called Kenpo Karate branch), Chuan Fa, Tum Pai, and Won Hop Kuen Do.        
The Original Method consists of 14 Palama Sets (katas), 21 punch counters, 13 club counters, 15 knife counters, 15 grab arts, 8 two man attack counters, 1 three man attack counter, and 26 alphabet techniques(combination techniques).  
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Mell on December 30, 2002, 03:59:59 PM
Does anyone know where I can obtain a detailed list of the 26 alphabet techniques (written form or on tape) ?  
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Rob Poelking on December 31, 2002, 04:18:35 AM
It is my understanding that there are more than just the 26 Alphabets, but there are, in fact, a second set of 26 alphabets. What is the difference? And who has them all?
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on January 01, 2003, 08:53:16 AM
Instructors who know all 26 alphabets are rare.  I have yet to meet one.  It sure would be a good subject for a seminar.
As to a second set, I have heard rumors as to their existance, but again have never been witness to the techniques being taught.  
With most of the early Kajukenbo instructors spreading out from Hawaii and losing touch with each other in the 60s, I'm sure some techniques have been both lost and added by some.
Perhaps some of our senior instructors can add to this topic.  
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: palama50 on January 02, 2003, 06:51:22 PM
Mell In  reference to your question regarding the Alphabet Techniques, Sigung John is of course correct, in that its very difficult to find an instructor that knows them all. There is more than one "alphabet" and in the one I'm familiar with only a small group have been taught them all. Keep in mind that these techniques have their roots in your Kajukenbo  "basics" which we all continue to practice. I hope this helps to answer your question  
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Mell on January 03, 2003, 04:50:18 PM
This question is directed to Palama50 -

Am I correct in believing you know all 26 of one of the sets?  Our school has A through I.  We would like to learn a few more.  If you have more that you might be able to share, let me know and I will describe our "A" for you to see if we are on the same page.  Thanks!
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Rob Poelking on January 04, 2003, 07:30:33 AM
Mell, I would be happy to demonstrate for you Mike's version of Alphabet "A." It is quite different from the "Original Method" A.

I have had the delightful oppourtunity to train with Sigung Mike and I hope to again. Next time I'll bring the video camera!
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Sigung Ray NJ on January 10, 2003, 07:48:42 PM
I have my Alfabets in a video if some one needs them e-mail me ;D
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Mell on January 11, 2003, 06:12:42 PM
I think Sigung Bishops idea would be great.  Maybe someone out there could try and get other instructors to do a special seminar class at one of the Kajukenbo tournaments in Las Vegas?  
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Mike Nagano on January 12, 2003, 09:44:55 PM
I also agree.  That would make a fascinating seminar to learn the rest of the original alphabets!
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Philip Gelinas on February 07, 2003, 11:30:16 AM
The problem with the 26 "alphabet" techniques is that they are different for every family head, The techniques you will see from a GM Tony Ramos decendant will be different from those descended from GM Aleju Reyes. It is the way Kajukenbo has always worked. I recieved my alphabet from the group of  techniques Sijo Emperado was teaching while he was living at Vince Black's home in San Diego in the late 1980's.  They are completely different from what I have seen in Gary Forbach's video series (2nd edition).

If they can't agree about their history how on earth are they going to agree about something like this?

Philip Gelinas
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Mell on March 24, 2003, 07:12:35 PM
If you are interested in information regarding Alphabet Techniques - go to the Events Listing of the forum.

There is talk about a seminar in California to teach all the techniques from one of the branches.

Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: E_and_B_Bautista on April 24, 2003, 05:12:44 PM
Just to let one know that GrandMaster Alan Reyes and Professor Joe Davis do have the origanal 26 letters of the alphabet taught to them by the late Master Aleju Reyes. They are still teaching them.
E.& B.Bautista
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: GForbach on July 18, 2004, 11:24:28 AM
Hello to all of you and thank you for allowing me to moderate this "historic" section of the Cafe!!
I want to share some of the history and teachings I have been taught since the beginning of my KAJUKENBO training.
But first let me make it perfectly clear that I "DO NOT" claim to be the single source for the growth and development of the "Original Method".  First "Original Method" does not mean "the only method"!  Because of the growth and evolution of KAJUKENBO it became necessary to identify the "framework" and foundation of the Art.
My expression of this foundation came, for the most part from the late Grand Master Aleju Reyes.  It was fortunate for me that he had been Sijo's "Secretary/Treasure" and documented techniques, names and history.
His training was definitely HARD STYLE.
So in the next few weeks I will begin a series of posts about "The Original Method" as I experienced it.

Respectfully
Gary Forbach
KAJUKENBO
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: HARDWORK on July 28, 2004, 10:34:45 AM
Hello,I am a proud student of GM Alan M. Reyes,who is still teaching The Original Method "Hard Style" P.S this is my first post.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: GForbach on July 29, 2004, 09:24:25 PM
Welcome to the website Sifu Harris.  You are very lucky and proud; I'm sure to be a student of GM Alan Reyes.  I too am from the Reyes Method of KAJUKENBO "Kenpo Karate".  I was very fortunate to have trained and studied with the Late GM Aleju Reyes Sr. in Suisun as well as Vacaville, CA.
Although I have traveled and tried learning a little of the other methods and branches of KAJUKENBO, my roots, my heart and my soul is from Reyes Kenpo Karate - Hard Style.
The hard training and beatings gave me strength and power that carried over into any method or style I tried.
All of KAJUKENBO is great, but thank God for the training we received from GM Aleju "Al" Reyes.
I will always love and respect the Reyes name and legacy.  Forever!
I hope to see you back on the site soon.  (I'm still a "Cafe" rookie too)
Respectfully
Gary L. Forbach
KAJUKENBO
P.S.  It would be fantastic to have GM Alan involved in this forum.  Maybe you and his students can convince him to contribute to the forum built by his Fathers hard work and dedication.  We could use his knowledge and wisdom.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: HARDWORK on July 30, 2004, 04:13:19 PM
GM Forbach,sir, I`m still just a student (green/blue) but I think we might have shared the mat in the 70`s at Travis AFB,I was there with sifu Rollie and sifu Merlonghi I still see sifu Merlonghi from time to time.GM Reyes is doing great!! I am very proud to have him as a teacher and friend and be a part of the Reyes family.Thank you for the post and congratulations on your promotion.Respectfully Rob.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: HARDWORK on August 23, 2004, 03:39:35 PM
I find that in training kenpo hardstyle knowlage and conditioning go hand in hand.We train hard today so we can train harder tomarrow.I love the mential hardening of always being pushed to my limits then, go some more.Kenpo for life! Rob
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: GForbach on August 27, 2004, 11:40:47 AM
Rob,
You're exactly right! My teacher, the Late Grand Master Aleju Reyes used to say "Train strong, to remain strong".  This simple philosophy has been a major factor in the strength and growth of all KAJUKENBO methods and branches from the beginning.
I have been fortunate to have studied most of the major methods of our art as well as Chinese, Japanese and Korean Martial Arts and my KAJUKENBO foundation made it much easier to adapt to their training styles.
Sijo Emperado once said to my students and I in San Clemente that "When you are at a point in your training when you are trying to perfect your advanced techniques, you should never, never forget your basics.  All KAJUKENBO advanced techniques contain, and are comprised of our basics."
I believe that all of our Grand Masters, Professors, Sigungs and Sifus should practice and review the KAJUKENBO basics and original techniques so that the roots and flavor of KAJUKENBO never disappear and that we can all feel confident that those we follow truley represent and propagate this great art and lifestyle.
GM Gary L. Forbach
KAJUKENBO FOREVER.....
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: curry on September 04, 2004, 05:05:04 AM
hello,
i am currently living in england. rob harris could you please pass my respects to proffessor reyes. i understand that reyes kenpo has moved from the texas st. location. could you possibly email me the new location or an e mail address i could write to. thankyou, p. curry
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Sifu Jay Ortiz on September 05, 2004, 11:50:07 AM
Aloha,

This is my first post. Sifu Israel Gonzalez told me about the cafe so I took advantage of the long weekend to check it out. Good stuff.

I am a student of Sigung Richard Peralta and as such am proud to report that traditional hard style Kajukembo is alive and well in Texas. Although fast approaching his 70th birthday, there is no letting up in our esteemed professor.

Regarding the alphabets, E&B Bautista is correct. Joe Davis has the original body of work. Mr. Davis comes through town to visit Sigungs Peralta and Nahoolewa so we have been fortunate to train and participtae in discussions with three students of Al Reyes. Great perspectives and even better stories.

Sifu Jay Ortiz

Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Mitch Powell on September 05, 2004, 06:26:28 PM
Sifu Ortiz,
Grandmaster Davis will be happy to read your kind words. I just walked in the door from our Sunday training class where Grandmaster Davis worked hand in hand with one of my students.

Grandmaster Davis has much love for Richard Peralta and Don Nahoolewa. He has told many stories about the days when they all trained together under their late teacher, Aleju Reyes.

You are very fortunate to have had the opportunity to train from Grandmaster Davis. He's very selective with whom he shares his knowledge. I know he really enjoys the group in Texas. He lights up when he talks about you guys.

Sifu, as you probably know, Grandmaster Davis is one of those guys who has written out every techniques and every form he was ever taught. He has kept the knowledge he was taught from Aleju Reyes seperate from any add libs or changes that he came up with on his own.

His bible actually has, "Original Movements." And then, at the bottom of each technique, he has "Additional Movements." That way he doesn't mix it up.

For several years he has been teaching at my teacher, Grandmaster Emil Bautista's Kajukenbo Self Defense Institute in Vallejo, Ca. on a regular basis, usually Thursday nights. At times, he even comes to our weekend classes, like today.

Grandmaster Davis is the person who taught me the Alphabets and was present when we filmed the Alphabet Techniques DVD that we have been selling (MAD Productions). He was in fact, the Technical Advisor for the training series. Without out him, I believe that knowledge would have died. Now, it will live forever!

Grandmaster Davis is a remarkable person and a great teacher. For those interested in hosting him for a seminar, you can reach him through me or Sibak Serene Terrazas (Kajushodan).

Professor Mitch Powell
KSDI, Vallejo
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Sifu Jay Ortiz on September 06, 2004, 11:12:17 AM
Prof. Powell,

We have indeed been fortunate to train with men of such distinction. Fortunately for Kajukembo, they have passed on that knowledge to succeeding generations. Mr. Davis has been more than generous with his material so I am familiar with the "bible". Its a great reference to gain perspective on a particular Master's thought process. Some changed a technique to use timing to offset the attacker's power while others incorporated judo/jujitsu. Things have changed so much over the years that its a blessing to have the original body of work and try to understand why some folks deviated.

Sifu Jay Ortiz
KSDS, Texas
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Israel Gonzales on September 07, 2004, 01:45:25 AM
Aloha Sifu Ortiz, and welcome to the cafe!

GM Davis is indeed a great asset to the art. He shared many stories with me during his visit here for a four day seminar in my school this past May. He left me a copy of his "bible" for future reference on the original method as taught by GM Aleju Reyes. Like the late GM Reyes, he too documented everything he was taught.

Prof. Powell, you are blessed to have him there with you to share his knowledge. I have seen one of your tapes. Those are also a great reference to go by when studying the Original Method. Keep up the good work!

Respectfully,
Sifu Gonzales.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Serene on September 07, 2004, 05:09:40 PM
Welcome Sifu Ortiz: ;D

I am Grandmaster Joe Davis's student Sibak Serene Terrazas.

Yes, he too speaks highly of all of you. When he shares his stories, videos and pictures with me I feel the joy in his heart.

I hope one day to meet Sigungs Peralata and Nahoolewa as well as all of you. I have the notes that Sigung Nahoolwea taught back in the 1960's. It's great I often look back and wonder how in the world did they do some of those drills. ;)  When I ask GM Davis he just laughs and than he makes me do the drills, ouch. I don't wonder out loud anymore. ;)  

I received some great photos from Sifu Israel from the seminar this May in Texas. Thank you Sifu Israel.

Did you go to Sifu Cox's seminar? We train from time to time with his students Sifu Claude Lawson, Sibak Steven and Sibak Rodell at our school in American Canyon, Ca.

Our best to you, Sigungs Peralata and Nahoolewa. Grandmaster Davis doesn't post but he is a frequent viewer.  ;)I'm positive he is filled with joy to see you post.

Soifua,

 

Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: napashifu on September 07, 2004, 11:29:26 PM
Aloha :D
Serene

Where in A.C. is your school located.
and what are your hours?

Mahalo 8)
Mike Ritchie.
Guangxi School
Napa.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Israel Gonzales on September 08, 2004, 02:31:30 AM
You're welcome Serene. Feel free to share the pics with the rest of our lineage there if you like. Especially GM Davis. He was definately an inspiration to all of us.

We all did indeed participate in the KSDS seminar at Sifu Cox's school a couple of weeks ago. It had a great turnout in students and instructors.

We were fortunate to have Prof. Agustin Lopez from Madrid Spain, Sigung Dan Frazier and Grand Master Richard Peralta teaching. We were honored to have a representative from the A.A.U. that came to observe and train. All went very well.

Respectfully,
Sifu Gonzales.




Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Sifu Jay Ortiz on September 08, 2004, 12:51:34 PM
Thanks Serene,

I am sure you feel as fortunate to train with GM Davis as we feel about training with GM Peralta. Your riding a learning curve that seems to have no ending. A painful ride but what a great ride it is! Have no doubt that your visit here would be warmly received. Just be forewarned that when you ask a question and Sigung Peralta gets a gleam in his eye.....tighten up!

I was fortunate enough to attend Sifu Cox's seminar. It was very well attended and by the comments received all appear to have benefited.

At some point in the future some of us have to get out to California and train with you folks. There is so much to learn that one life time is not enough.

Aloha,

Jay Ortiz
KSDS, Texas
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Serene on September 08, 2004, 01:52:41 PM
Good Morning Sifu Ortiz, Sifu Gonzales, Sibak Mike:

How great it is for you guys to share with us. It just makes me smile to see more of you on line.

Yes, I agree how very fortunate we are to have such great teachers. Yes every class is a learning experience.

Sifu Ortiz, I can relate GM Davis often says "no, like this", than you know kiss your you know what bye bye-but its all good. ;)  Thank you for the advice - I will tighten up when I meet GM Peralta.

I agree we are long overdue we all need to get together soon.  ;D

GM Davis speaks highly of Sifu Cox too. We are pleased to know that all went well at the seminar. Excellent!

How is Sifu Burt Vickers do you see him too? If you do please give him our best.

Also, we finally received our studio photos so we will be able to send photos of GM Davis very very soon. ;D

Greetings Sibak Mike our class schedules are:

Mon & Wed: 5-6:30 p.m. children (traditional)
Wed: 7:00-9:00 adults (traditional)
Thurs: 5:45-6:45 cardio kickboxing (non-traditional)

We are located at 260 American Canyon Road in their community center.  

As always you are more than welcome to attend the classes. If you'd like you may come and teach too. :)

Soifua,


Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: HARDWORK on September 08, 2004, 03:12:48 PM
So,is there a differance between Emperado Method and Original Method? If so what are they? respectfully Rob
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Serene on September 08, 2004, 04:30:27 PM
Hi Rob:

Per GM Joe Davis there is no difference.
Some call it Original and some call it Emperado. The knowledge is the same.

Hope to see you next Monday.

Soifua,
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on September 08, 2004, 05:00:41 PM
Technically, if it's Kajukenbo, it's "Emperado Method", since all Kajukenbo comes from his original creation.
"Original Method" is the "Kenpo Karate" branch, or the first and original method of Kajukenbo.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Sifu Jay Ortiz on September 09, 2004, 12:41:28 PM
Buenos Dias Serene,

As a matter of fact I do see and train with Sifu Vickers. Not as much as I would like since he lives in Lubbock but he makes great effort to come and train with GM Peralta. He came down, as well as Sifu Cox from Abilene, just two weeks ago for Sigung Lopez' last weekend in town. Great training.

Sifu Jay Ortiz
KSDS, Texas
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: HARDWORK on September 09, 2004, 01:51:22 PM
so,is chuan fa ect... and all the other methods a branch emperado method or a branch of the kajukenbo system,being that Sijo is the founder of kajukenbo.respectfully Rob
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on September 09, 2004, 02:00:52 PM
According to Sijo "if it's Kajukenbo, it's Emperado Method".  Thats his feelings as the founder and creator of Kajukenbo.  
But, that's not to say that other names are not attached to a branch of Kajukenbo to show who made the modifications to it, or what Kajukenbo techniques it emphasizes.  
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: HARDWORK on September 10, 2004, 02:45:54 PM
Thank very much Sigung ,I love learning about our history and a chance to work on my typing.respectfully Rob
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Serene on September 10, 2004, 05:13:49 PM
Buenos Tardes Sifu Ortiz: ;D

Excellent. I'm so jealous.  ;)

I know one day we will all be able to train together it just won't be soon enough. ;)

My best to all of you.

Soifua,
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: napashifu on September 12, 2004, 10:19:18 PM
Aloha  :D
 Sibak Serene
Thankyou for your invite, unless something comes up I will stop by on wed night to pay respects to you and your class after I am done with my classes.
Mahalo 8)

Mike Ritchie
Guangxi School
Napa
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Serene on September 13, 2004, 11:00:07 AM
Hi Sibak Mike:

Great no problem were looking forward to seeing you.  ;D

Great pay respects and train-love it. Don't forget to wear your cup. ;)

Soifua,
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Serene on September 17, 2004, 06:48:30 PM
Sifu Mike R.:

Thank you for visiting us. We hope you enjoyed your training with us. The students enjoyed you as well as GM Davis and me.

After you left the students were saying wow, when will we get to throw each other around like you and Sifu Mike. I told them next week. ;) They said :o Kidding ;)

As always our best to you, Sigung Pat and Sifu Dan. ;D

See you next week in Visalia. 8)


Soifua,
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: napashifu on September 17, 2004, 08:11:49 PM
 
Sibak Serene. 8)

I also enjoyed working out and learning. :D. It was a honour  to help out  a little also ;)
Your students are very lucky  to be learning from you and Grandmaster Davis.
See you next weekend

mahalo
Mike.
Guangxi School
Napa



Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: GForbach on September 18, 2004, 08:32:36 PM
Hello everyone....  ;D
It's nice to see so much more response lately in this section (Original Method).
I'm really happy to see that many of you are taking advantage of the knowledge and generosity of GM Joe Davis.  He is my senior under GM Aleju Reyes and has always been there for advice and consulting regarding the training we received.  He is open, honest, giving, humble and a hell of a great person!  We are lucky to have GM Davis who is so willing to share his knowledge -openly, un-selfishly and without question to anyone, from any branch or family within KAJUKENBO.
His example as a senior and GM will hopefully draw many of the other great senior instructors out of the "woodwork".  We have so many Kajukenbo students worldwide so hungry for knowledge that will hopefully convince these Masters and GM's to come back and share with all of us.
Also, it's great to see discussion from students of GM Rich Peralta and GM Don Nahoolewa. (Their GM's to me!)
If any of you have contact with them and they want to get involved with the Cafe, please let me know.  I'd love for one of them, or GM Alan Reyes, or GM Davis or any other of my seniors to take over as Moderator!! ;D
See you all next week in Visalia..
GM Gary Forbach
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Israel Gonzales on September 18, 2004, 11:24:45 PM
Thanx GM Forbach,
I am honored to be a student of GM Peralta. His 45 years experience shows when he takes the floor and shares his knowledge with us.
At his age, he still moves like a "whip" with power, speed and precision.
This man has remained active for 45 years and his passion for the art remains strong.
My students are honored that he takes the time to come to my school and share with them as well. This man is not only a Grand Master, but a mentor to all of us who have the priveledge to train under him.

Respectfully,
Israel Gonzales
K.S.D.S.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Danjo on January 24, 2005, 04:15:14 PM
Forgive the ignorance of a noob, but did SGm Halbuna teach the original method or one of the others? thanks.
Title: Re:The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on January 24, 2005, 09:49:26 PM
From looking at his video tapes, I'd say he teaches the "Original Method", incorporated with several of his own additions.
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: leenaples on September 23, 2005, 07:49:41 AM
The last time I was at Professor Bautista's, Professor Joe Davis had all the alphabits available and was teaching Professor Bautista's Black Belts them. He had them on a CD.

Sifu Napoleon Flores (Muggs)
Naples, Italy
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Steve on March 14, 2006, 02:38:31 PM
Aloha

    I have a question about the original method....

    I saw a lot of versions of the punch ,grabs,clubs and knifes in the original method

    The core is there....U could see the basics of the techniques but with some variations
    Does we have a lot of method of the Emperado method....I mean different follow up to each counters...
    thats logical anybody have the same body...

    But I saw the club and knifes counters in dVd from the Ramos method ....its completely different from the Reyes method but the core is there.....

      Thats go with the kajukenbo principle ....Entry(stop the attack),follow up ,takedown,finish (groundwork)

    If its work is Kajukenbo


   Does its why we said Emperado method?


 
   
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Bautista's on March 14, 2006, 06:09:37 PM
It is called different flavors from the different teachers but still called KAJUKENBO.
Emil
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Steve on March 15, 2006, 01:44:24 PM


  GM Bautista

   Does the club&knife in the DVD are the original ramos method ? I mean like teaching by GM Ramos

  I very like the techniques...thank to U for doing this DVD.

   
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: GForbach on May 02, 2006, 12:20:07 PM
Dear Tim (Black~Feather),
I just read your post and would like to welcome you to the Cafe!  Isn't it great?  This is the best thing to happen to KAJUKENBO since its creation.  An open forum where we can all talk, share, learn and debate the history as well as the future of our art.
Sijo Emperado is very happy that the Cafe allows the entire KAJUKENBO family to come together in one location answering questions, announcing events and educating "all of us" on his art.
I'm happy that you like th DVD's and hope they will help you preserve the foundation of KAJUKENBO as Sijo wants it to be.
If I can help you or answer any of your questions regarding the DVD's or their purpose, please feel free to contact me.
Keep up the good work...
GM Gary Forbach
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Sifu Marco Diaz Jr. on February 06, 2008, 04:37:36 PM
Aloha Sir,
I wanted to write this in honor and on behalf of my branch. I see others have there lineage posted and I respectfully wanted to ask if we can be recognized for our contribution. Joe Halbuna was our Senior GM and he had a tremendous impact on the art. He has a strong legacy including coming up with the clover we all wear. He was an original student from Hawaii and has countless instructors under him that are very active today. Some notable men are GM Mashmire as well as my teacher GM Max Togisala. I started kaju in 1977 at the age of 5 and was like one of the kids were lucky enough to get my training from not only my teacher but his teacher Halbuna. I came up through the 80's trying to be like them. Halbuna and Max were like my fathers and I put my tail on the line to impress them. I watch as others move up in rank. Those who play the politcs in todays game. I have trained for 30 years and my students and experiences are all I have. I wish my guy Joe were still here to make sure we are recognized. I ask you with great humility to consider giving us a voice. This sight is how we kajukenbo ohana stay informed and in touch. I am greatful and I wake up every day to represent our club with honor. Thank you sir for your consideration.

 
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Danjo on February 07, 2008, 02:48:09 AM
Aloha Sir,
I wanted to write this in honor and on behalf of my branch. I see others have there lineage posted and I respectfully wanted to ask if we can be recognized for our contribution. Joe Halbuna was our Senior GM and he had a tremendous impact on the art. He has a strong legacy including coming up with the clover we all wear. He was an original student from Hawaii and has countless instructors under him that are very active today. Some notable men are GM Mashmire as well as my teacher GM Max Togisala. I started kaju in 1977 at the age of 5 and was like one of the kids were lucky enough to get my training from not only my teacher but his teacher Halbuna. I came up through the 80's trying to be like them. Halbuna and Max were like my fathers and I put my tail on the line to impress them. I watch as others move up in rank. Those who play the politcs in todays game. I have trained for 30 years and my students and experiences are all I have. I wish my guy Joe were still here to make sure we are recognized. I ask you with great humility to consider giving us a voice. This sight is how we kajukenbo ohana stay informed and in touch. I am greatful and I wake up every day to represent our club with honor. Thank you sir for your consideration.

 

Aloha Sifu Marco, I'm not sure what kind of voice you have in mind, but just do like the rest of us and jump on in. We're all Ohana here and everyone knows what great contributions your teachers have made to Kajukenbo.
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Sifu Marco Diaz Jr. on March 25, 2008, 07:30:53 AM
Absolutly sir, thanks for the kind words. Train Hard bra.

sifu
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: HARDWORK on March 25, 2008, 12:29:08 PM
Sifu Marco,my teacher GM Reyes and GM Togisla are very good friends,,,a few years ago we went to a tournament in san jose and the party/BBQ after was great,,,to sit around and listen to stories,,,good times
Title: Re: Honoring Sijo Adriano D. Emperado's
Post by: handsofstone23 on July 02, 2008, 07:21:33 PM
Aloha,
i am very interested in learning the revised alphabets. Sigung Ray, would you be kind enough to send me your contact information so that we may discuss the alphabet tape. Thank you for your time. Mahalo
sibak Ruben
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: GM ALAN M. REYES on July 25, 2009, 07:46:14 PM
I would like to think that the original alphabets has NOT evolved to any next generation. What the original method is, is just that, the original method, which is the Emperado method. and has remained as such throughout all the so-called changes. Yes and I do believe there is only one set of ABC's as you would learn in school....unlike like others that seem to believe that their interpretation is correct. one way and one way only. The alphabets are the only self defense that does not really need any add-on or ground attacks,,, but WE are KAJUKENBO, and we will do ground work, but it doesn't change the "original" alphabets from Emperado, no revisions, no changes, exactly what Emperado wanted, it has lasted this long, it will definitely outlast all of us in its entirety.
GM Alan M. Reyes
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: GM ALAN M. REYES on August 31, 2009, 05:24:37 PM
It is true that the BBSociety was started as a meeting place for instructors of different martial backgrounds, and TRUE, Sijo always gives respect where respect was due, but that should be the end of it. Sijo should be recognized as THE pillar of Kajukenbo, it is his innovations, his genius, his Black Belts that went out into the world spreading "his" knowledge.
I also give respect to the memory of days past for the Black Belt Society....But when it comes to KAJUKENBO, I know only and was raised with the personage of the Emperado Brothers.....Even the title of Sijo or Professor at that time was ONLY given to Emperado by the chinese society because it was EMPERADO that they recognized as the SIJO of the KAJUKENBO SYSTEM, no one else. Did the other Black Belt Society instructors members recieve that title. No one person should be able to step into "SIJO" shoes or place of honor,or promote without recieving that title.
In my opinion, The person responsible for and who should be the only one who has brought Kajukenbo to the world is Sijo Emperado, trace it back, way back... every BB in 2009 to who? and that who, would be Emperado...Even Ordonez was once a student at Palama, So equal as a BB Society Member, but not an equal at Palama?
Also I know it's a generic term,,, 21 original knowledge's Advance Counter's,,,but
1,2,2A,3,3A,4,4A,5,5A,6,6A,7,7A,7B,8,8A,9,9A,9B,10,10A,10B,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,21A
looks like 34 to me, a small but interesting note to your readers, all Emperado,all original, all effective

GM Reyes
 
Title: Re: The Original Method, aka Kenpo Karate
Post by: Ghost Rider on August 31, 2009, 07:31:22 PM
YES SIR! THANK YOU VERY MUCH