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Re:Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2004, 04:51:30 PM »
okay say it with me, wear a cup!

Groin strikes are fun, groin strikes are great, but they don't always work.  I was once attacked, kicked a guy in the groin, not really hard but hard enough to hurt and he stopped, grunted and came at me again,  :o scared the beep out of me so I kicked his knee, that worked and I ran away  ;D
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Re:Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2004, 07:21:11 PM »
okay say it with me, wear a cup!

Groin strikes are fun, groin strikes are great, but they don't always work.  I was once attacked, kicked a guy in the groin, not really hard but hard enough to hurt and he stopped, grunted and came at me again,  :o scared the beep out of me so I kicked his knee, that worked and I ran away  ;D

Rosy, what kind of groin kick did you do? Was it a rising one with top of foot or shin, a rising one with ball of foot, a front kick with ball of foot, or a back kick with heel, or something else?

Just curious...
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Re:Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2004, 01:09:19 AM »
quick front snap kick, ball of the foot, I may have missed the target, but it definately wasn't a rising kick, which probably would have been better.
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Re:Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2004, 10:55:35 AM »
quick front snap kick, ball of the foot, I may have missed the target, but it definately wasn't a rising kick, which probably would have been better.
Thanks for the information. No I think the front snap was probably the best kick there. You have the groin, the small intestines, the crease of the hip, lots of targets you can hit. Probably won't bring someone down if they are much bigger than you, but it can bend them forward into a knee or punch.

The reason I asked was that a few people have told me that the rising kicks to the groin didn't work in a fight. I believe that rising kicks can do serious damage, even causing death over the span of hours, however, it appears with adrenaline and all, the target might "shrug off" the short term effects of the rising kick.

So I prefer the front on attacks to the groin as a set up strike to a knee or other strike opposed to the rising ones in a self-defense situation.  But that's just my thoughts on this.

« Last Edit: May 20, 2004, 12:06:26 PM by Wado »
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Re:Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2004, 11:37:57 PM »
.... I have always been taught by my parents that it's not right to hit women and not to do it. So for me it's a hard thing for me to get over the Moral thing.

Well, the easiest explanation I can think of is what my Sensei always says, "Out there, there are women and men, in here are martial artists." As you said, when you spar the woman becomes an opponent, nothing more than something to be defended against.

Personally I get offended if the other students do not go full force on me, if I get hit and hurt, it is my own fault; I should have blocked. Because, truth of the matter is that on the street, an attacker will not discrminate between man and woman, in fact, a woman would be the more likely target of violence. By not hitting a woman, you are depriving her of the right to learn how to take a hit and how to defend against a strike.

I can tell you that as an assistant instructor, I have been thrown around more times than I can count, and I'm still walking around with no broken bones, and no diminished respect. Just like a muscle must be worked out and broken down before it builds itself up, a student like wise must be conditioned.

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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2007, 11:11:30 AM »
AND THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. Is because the whole groin kick in the movies started during the feminism era in 60's along with general male bashing you see on TV to try and show that women are stronger and to humiliate men. With their double standards the same feminazis block the showing of females being hit in the vulva although it is as sensitive (infact direct hard impact blows to the vulva are more painful then to the testes since they are immobile and cannot absotb or misdirect impact) saying it sends the wrong message while encouraging male groin kicking to show self defense. You see some femizanzi want female superiority rather then equality (which is what we should all aim for and what FEMINSISM not feminazism is about)

Although some movies do show it and if you don’t believe it then check these videos of females being kicked in the groin and the links to groin guards too: You see the feminazis have a hard time admitting this, with all the things that come with a da kine like having to pee sitting down, childbirth, periods and lack of testicles making women shorter, weaker and slower they want to try and humiliate innocent men and degrade them by portraying this on the media as a way of getting back at completely innocent men

Well there’s the answer to your question about the double standards. and bottom line, its definitely WRONG either sex to do it but it certainly is a double standard, you cant even watch a film these days without male bashing in it.

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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2007, 11:56:14 AM »
Thank you very much Georgina. That was great to get "perspective."

BTW, may I ask that you modify your profile to include a "real" name and a quick affiliation as is required by the cafe policy. Thanks. :)
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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2007, 12:49:45 PM »
Is because the whole groin kick in the movies started during the feminism era in 60's along with general male bashing you see on TV to try and show that women are stronger and to humiliate men.


Georgina, now, that is an impressive collection of strikes to the female groin area.  Thank you.  I've never seen a collection like that. 
I think the general male/husband bashing is simply TV programming for women.  Generally, guys watch sports.   The "stupid husband" shows are for women.

With their double standards the same feminazis block the showing of females being hit in the vulva although it is as sensitive (infact direct hard impact blows to the vulva are more painful then to the testes since they are immobile and cannot absotb or misdirect impact) saying it sends the wrong message while encouraging male groin kicking to show self defense. You see some femizanzi want female superiority rather then equality (which is what we should all aim for and what FEMINSISM not feminazism is about)

Although I'm not totally sure of the equivalence, there is also the pain of crushing the (getting past forum censorship) male member against the pubic bone.

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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2007, 12:53:46 PM »
Thank you very much Georgina. That was great to get "perspective."

BTW, may I ask that you modify your profile to include a "real" name and a quick affiliation as is required by the cafe policy. Thanks. :)

I would be surprised if this person puts his real name in his profile.  Appears to me to be a typical profile of a person that talks big online but then hides behind the veil of anonymity.  Then again, I could be wrong.


Something else has been bothering me about this topic, unrelated to the above.  I'm wondering what people are training to hit? Seems to me that "groin" is being used by some to be specific areas such as the genitals.    So does that mean that is where people are aiming their shots?

It is a vital area, but as I was taught the primary targets are the Conception Vessel 1 ( CV-1 ) -- Midway between the genitals and the anus, and the small intestine or hip track.  Our opening salutation has a kick to the Conception Vessel 1.  I prefer the kick to the small intestine however, because I believe it breaks the posture of the enemy very effectively.

The purpose of groin protection is to protect yourself.  You get hit in that area, whether on purpose or because the hit missed something near there such as the Conception Vessel or the small intestine, then that hard cup is extra protection. 'Nuff said, this is found out in training.

As for another point about full power hits to the groin area.  I thought the point of hitting a vital area was that you did not have to hit full power to be effective.  e.g. A full power strike to the throat is a kill strike, a controlled strike can be used to stun. 

I remember one person coming to me surprised that she kicked a man in the groin during sparring and he shook it off (e.g. was not dropped by it or really bothered by it). She thought she kicked him fairly hard.  My first response was "kick him harder next time" but then I asked what technique she was using.  What she showed me I would describe as the top of the foot spear kick (which can also be the shin at closer range).  I consider that kick to be a "kill shot" meaning that if you kick the person like that as hard as you can, they can eventually die from internal bleeding if they don't get medical attention quick enough. A very light kick like that can work by shocking the nerves and drop someone, but probably very rarely that happens if a person sees it coming or is under high levels of adrenaline.  I remember Sigung Mateo telling me he did that shot right out of the Pinan 2 kata in a real fight, lifted the guy off the ground with it.  The guy did not go down. Later on he was hurting very much, but it did not stop him from fighting.

I told the person that I like the ball of the foot front kick to the small intestines better, like the kick in Gaylord Method, Punch and Counter 1A.  Use the kick to stun and unbalance the opponent so that they bend forward at the hips.  Then you have a moment to drive your knee into their face or do something else.

The key was to use the kick to stun and unbalance the target.  This is much better in training, IMHO, because you know if it works or not, because if you don't unbalance your training partner, you know it ain't effective.

Just my opinion on this.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2007, 12:57:13 PM by Wado »
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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2007, 01:51:27 PM »
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Although some movies do show it and if you don’t believe it then check these videos of females being kicked in the groin and the links to groin guards too: You see the feminazis have a hard time admitting this, with all the things that come with a da kine like having to pee sitting down, childbirth, periods and lack of testicles making women shorter, weaker and slower they want to try and humiliate innocent men and degrade them by portraying this on the media as a way of getting back at completely innocent men

Well there’s the answer to your question about the double standards. and bottom line, its definitely WRONG either sex to do it but it certainly is a double standard, you cant even watch a film these days without male bashing in it.

There is nothing I detest more than to see some one try to make a point while denigrating a group of people to do it by name calling and word baiting..."feminazis"?  What has that to do with our art? Male bashing? Sure it happens...but on this site? In this cafe? Why would you need to say all that to make a point about women wearing cups?
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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2008, 06:58:30 AM »
I believe in equality so I don't think people should have an issue with it.  I mean you can hit me, but I can't hit you because you're a girl?  Um, no.  I don't mean that gives a reason for abuse but they shouldn't use that as a reason to hide behind if they want to play.

Concerning the groin kicks with woman, I always feel a bit awkward...just because there really isn't a target there.  And,  as silly as this sounds, I'm afraid my foot will go somewhere...  Men should be required to wear them and woman if they want I suppose. 
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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2009, 06:02:21 AM »
To this day (after about 22 yrs of training) I still hold back making groin contact on my female partners although they tell (or permit) me that I have the "green light"! It's funny listening to them begging to be hit there, like HIT ME! HIT ME! HIT IT HARD CUZ I WANT TO FEEL IT! (LOL) So ok, I would make a close contact around the area (not directly there). But of course, how you must defend yourself on the street will reflect the way you train.  :P
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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2009, 04:13:59 PM »
Asian World of Martial Arts carries Shock Doctor female pelvic protectors.
They look very similar to the male version which all my students are told to wear.
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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2009, 01:37:28 PM »
I still think that the Bike groin cups are the best, even for women.  The egg-like shape of the cup provides a means to absorb the shock (hoop stress for the mechanical engineers out there).  The only flaw in the design is the tapered end that rests on the perineum.  When the thin taper end is kicked, the resultant trauma to the area is magnified.  Luckily, that sort of kick does not happen often.

I've talked to a number of ju-jitsu people that believe that the cup has injured them more.  Some of the Bike re-designs include thinner material that appears to do an inadequate job of securing the cup against the body.  Also, the habit of wearing underwear below the cup+strap onctributes to a slippery fit, in my opinion.
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Re: Women & Groin Strikes
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2009, 04:19:10 PM »
I still think that the Bike groin cups are the best, even for women.  The egg-like shape of the cup provides a means to absorb the shock (hoop stress for the mechanical engineers out there).  The only flaw in the design is the tapered end that rests on the perineum.  When the thin taper end is kicked, the resultant trauma to the area is magnified.  Luckily, that sort of kick does not happen often.
I took one in a tournament once.  Behemoth of a guy lifted me up about a foot in the air and landed me in the minor emegency clinic with a "straddle injury to the perineum."  I finished the match, though.  :)
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